[BaseCamp] List traffic (or lack thereof)

[Joel Tolbert]

P vs NP was on the Internet so it must be true and easily understood :)

The fact that these programs can even route point A to point B is
astounding. The math behind the choices just for that is ridiculous,
especially for populated areas.  Poor Garmin engineers must just go home
and sob at night at the features people want to be in there..

Don't beat yourself up about the "misinformation" you feel you gave. Your
technical assistance and guidance (turd polishing) over the last 3 years
has helped a few thousand people have tools they seem to enjoy. Much like
you, Jerry and the others giving of their time Saturday, are doing here
with Basecamp. Thank you.

On Tue, Jan 27, 2015, 4:33 PM Maura <moteramaura at gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks Nancy!
>
> On the BMR site I incorrectly stated it was not in the app store, my early
> beta came direct. Sorry about that.
> App is great!
> BaseCamp content: we will be using BMR data in the seminar this Saturday :)
>
> Maura AKA MissInformation
>
> On Tue, Jan 27, 2015 at 11:05 AM, Nancy Lefcourt <nlefcourt at mac.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Maura,  the BMR app update is available in the app store.
> >
> > -------- Original message --------
> > From: -=maura=-
> > Date:01/27/2015 10:21 AM (GMT-08:00)
> > To: BaseCamp
> > Subject: Re: [BaseCamp] List traffic (or lack thereof)
> >
> > hahaha
> > You are a brave man to say P vs NP on the BaseCamp list :))))
> > I lack such courage , I tried a while back to explain the issue on the
> > LD rider list and let just say I convinced no one, discussion continued
> > on how great streets and trips optimized a route, when in my experience,
> > I could easily make it fail , either by causing the program to crash or
> > making it make a route which was obviously not the optimum.
> > The really important rally take-away is that attempting to use route
> > optimization often causes a computer crash if the route is even slightly
> > complex (20+ points) , which is a very bad thing if you are on-the-clock
> > rally planning. Thus, I avoid it like poison :)
> >
> > Over in the BMR forum, I fear I may have provided misinformation on the
> > app. Is it in the play store? I thought it was not, but that may have
> > only been me receiving it early. maybe get RJ to delete my post if not
> > correct?
> >
> > App 2.12 working well, no issues to report. The way the rally works, you
> > have to sometimes take a couple of pics to get the framing right. If the
> > bottom bar affects that, so be it, the app allows you to see the final
> > pic, so you check if it is good or not, then 'accept' . The'why' it is
> > not framed perfectly the first time is not a concern,  just get 'er done
> > and move on :)
> >
> > I am having such fun in the BMR, and love the app, so let me  send you
> > another BIG THANKS.
> >
> > Maura
> >
> >
> >
> > On 22/01/2015 6:20 AM, Joel Tolbert wrote:
> > > <snip>
> > > On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 8:03 AM, Chris Rasmussen <
> > crasmussen at carolina.rr.com
> > >> wrote:
> > > Of interest, when I load a route to my Zumo 665, it will normally
> > calculate
> > > a much faster time than what BC has calculated.
> > > </snip>
> > >
> > > I have found the same.  I track my stops in a rally by their expected
> > > arrival time in Basecamp.  I have found that both of my GPS units
> > > consistently underestimate total time, and Basecamp has been the
> > consistent
> > > winner in the the "time to HQ" department.  This experience over a
> number
> > > of rallys has taught me to not get too excited about being ahead of GPS
> > eta
> > > when 4 hours into a rally, as invariably I arrive to HQ workers staring
> > at
> > > watches performing the dreaded countdown to DNF.
> > >
> > > Admittedly, I have trained Basecamp over the last few years to know how
> > how
> > > I ride/rally here in the US mid-atlantic, making this strategy
> possible.
> > >
> > > <snip>
> > > Master Maura wrote:
> > > "(it) is one of the most intensively studied problems in computational
> > > mathematics"
> > > </snip>
> > >
> > > Not to put too fine a point on Maura's comment, but I will for those
> > hoping
> > > for an "optimize my route" function.  There has been a $1million (US)
> > > bounty placed on solving this "traveling salesman" (P vs NP) riddle by
> > the
> > > Clay Institute.  UPS, FedEx, MIT, Princeton, and nearly every aspiring
> > > geospatial computer programmer have had their (collective) minds
> absorbed
> > > by this prize
> > http://www.claymath.org/millenium-problems/p-vs-np-problem.
> > > If you want the Cliff notes:  "There ain't no way in hell your "intel
> > > inside" netbook, or 20 year old GPS chip are giving you an optimized
> > > route."  You will not see that wizard to your satisfaction, not no way,
> > not
> > > no how, regardless of your choice of computer hardware.  There's nearly
> > 40
> > > years of digital heartbreak on this twisted road with no end (yet) in
> > sight.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --Joel Tolbert
> > > Bethlehem, PA
> > > http://www.BubblerGPS.com
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