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Send us a gift or don't, as it suits you, but we have neither the time nor the energy to discuss the subject further than what you see above. And we're sure your fellow subscribers would rather not have the list itself cluttered with more than this notice on the subject. Thanks! From ironbutter at gmail.com Sun Feb 7 16:59:26 2021 From: ironbutter at gmail.com (saddle sore) Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2021 19:59:26 -0500 Subject: [BaseCamp] BaseCamp on Linux ?? Message-ID: I just picked up a new-to-me ToughBook. My regular laptop travels well but ya can't miss with a Toughbook. With a new 1T harddrive and 4GB RAM, I've partitioned off Windows 7 to it's own corner and I am running Linux Ubuntu as my default operating system now. Lots for me to learn. Are you running BaseCamp on Linux? If so, where do I find the version for Linux? I've been looking and Google is suggesting alternatives but not BaseCamp specifically. I guess I can always select Windows as the perating system when I want to run BaseCamp, but I'd prefer running Linux all the time. Any one successful with BaseCamp on Linux? Thanks, Joe Y in western Pennsylvania Virus-free. www.avg.com <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> From kwthom at yahoo.com Sun Feb 7 17:34:40 2021 From: kwthom at yahoo.com (Ken Thompson) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2021 01:34:40 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [BaseCamp] BaseCamp on Linux ?? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1386526408.2497543.1612748080460@mail.yahoo.com> From what I gather, need to run Wine for Basecamp to run on Linux. https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=32413 https://www.reddit.com/r/linuxquestions/comments/6b1ay0/any_linuxalternatives_of_garmin_basecamp/ Regards, --Ken T.Tucson, AZ On Sunday, February 7, 2021, 05:59:54 PM MST, saddle sore wrote: I just picked up a new-to-me ToughBook.  My regular laptop travels well but ya can't miss with a Toughbook.  With a new 1T harddrive and 4GB RAM, I've partitioned off Windows 7 to it's own corner and I am running Linux Ubuntu as my default operating system now.  Lots for me to learn. Are you running BaseCamp on Linux?  If so, where do I find the version for Linux?  I've been looking and Google is suggesting alternatives but not BaseCamp specifically. I guess I can always select Windows as the perating system when I want to run BaseCamp, but I'd prefer running Linux all the time. Any one successful with BaseCamp on Linux? Thanks,  Joe Y in western Pennsylvania Virus-free. www.avg.com <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> To make _ANY_ changes, including unsubscribing from this list, click ----->http://micapeak.com/mailman/listinfo/basecamp From kwthom at yahoo.com Sun Feb 7 17:34:40 2021 From: kwthom at yahoo.com (Ken Thompson) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2021 01:34:40 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [BaseCamp] BaseCamp on Linux ?? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1386526408.2497543.1612748080460@mail.yahoo.com> From what I gather, need to run Wine for Basecamp to run on Linux. https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=32413 https://www.reddit.com/r/linuxquestions/comments/6b1ay0/any_linuxalternatives_of_garmin_basecamp/ Regards, --Ken T.Tucson, AZ On Sunday, February 7, 2021, 05:59:54 PM MST, saddle sore wrote: I just picked up a new-to-me ToughBook.  My regular laptop travels well but ya can't miss with a Toughbook.  With a new 1T harddrive and 4GB RAM, I've partitioned off Windows 7 to it's own corner and I am running Linux Ubuntu as my default operating system now.  Lots for me to learn. Are you running BaseCamp on Linux?  If so, where do I find the version for Linux?  I've been looking and Google is suggesting alternatives but not BaseCamp specifically. I guess I can always select Windows as the perating system when I want to run BaseCamp, but I'd prefer running Linux all the time. Any one successful with BaseCamp on Linux? Thanks,  Joe Y in western Pennsylvania Virus-free. www.avg.com <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> To make _ANY_ changes, including unsubscribing from this list, click ----->http://micapeak.com/mailman/listinfo/basecamp From bnorris at hotmail.com Sun Feb 7 19:59:35 2021 From: bnorris at hotmail.com (Bill Norris) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2021 03:59:35 +0000 Subject: [BaseCamp] BaseCamp on Linux ?? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: If you had some more ram I would consider using Virtualbox. The nice thing about a virtual machine is that you can 'Save State' instead of shutting down. 'booting up' would be very fast. Bill ________________________________ From: Basecamp on behalf of saddle sore Sent: Sunday, February 7, 2021 6:59 PM To: BaseCamp Subject: [BaseCamp] BaseCamp on Linux ?? I just picked up a new-to-me ToughBook. My regular laptop travels well but ya can't miss with a Toughbook. With a new 1T harddrive and 4GB RAM, I've partitioned off Windows 7 to it's own corner and I am running Linux Ubuntu as my default operating system now. Lots for me to learn. Are you running BaseCamp on Linux? If so, where do I find the version for Linux? I've been looking and Google is suggesting alternatives but not BaseCamp specifically. I guess I can always select Windows as the perating system when I want to run BaseCamp, but I'd prefer running Linux all the time. Any one successful with BaseCamp on Linux? Thanks, Joe Y in western Pennsylvania Virus-free. www.avg.com <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> To make _ANY_ changes, including unsubscribing from this list, click ----->http://micapeak.com/mailman/listinfo/basecamp From jerrywhite518 at gmail.com Sun Feb 7 21:03:44 2021 From: jerrywhite518 at gmail.com (Jerry White) Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2021 21:03:44 -0800 Subject: [BaseCamp] BaseCamp on Linux ?? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Yeah I use Virtualbox on my Mac to run Windows. It's fine, and free too. Do that. And for heaven's sake, add RAM. 4G? I'm surprised you can buy a system with 4G. Can't answer the Basecamp on Linux question, but I assume the answer is no. Garmin makes consumer products and Linux is not a mainstream consumer OS. Also, Basecamp is a GUI, but Linux is not a native GUI, you need various flavors or addins to get a GUI, and that would force Garmin to choose which Linux GUI it wanted to support. On Sun, Feb 7, 2021 at 8:00 PM Bill Norris wrote: > If you had some more ram I would consider using Virtualbox. > The nice thing about a virtual machine is that you can 'Save State' > instead of shutting down. 'booting up' would be very fast. > > Bill > > > ________________________________ > From: Basecamp on behalf of saddle > sore > Sent: Sunday, February 7, 2021 6:59 PM > To: BaseCamp > Subject: [BaseCamp] BaseCamp on Linux ?? > > I just picked up a new-to-me ToughBook. My regular laptop travels well but > ya can't miss with a Toughbook. With a new 1T harddrive and 4GB RAM, I've > partitioned off Windows 7 to it's own corner and I am running Linux Ubuntu > as my default operating system now. Lots for me to learn. > > Are you running BaseCamp on Linux? If so, where do I find the version for > Linux? I've been looking and Google is suggesting alternatives but not > BaseCamp specifically. > > I guess I can always select Windows as the perating system when I want to > run BaseCamp, but I'd prefer running Linux all the time. > > Any one successful with BaseCamp on Linux? > > Thanks, Joe Y > in western Pennsylvania > > < > http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail > > > Virus-free. > www.avg.com > < > http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail > > > <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > > To make _ANY_ changes, including unsubscribing from this list, click -----> > http://micapeak.com/mailman/listinfo/basecamp > > > To make _ANY_ changes, including unsubscribing from this list, click -----> > http://micapeak.com/mailman/listinfo/basecamp > > From ironbutter at gmail.com Mon Feb 8 09:06:41 2021 From: ironbutter at gmail.com (saddle sore) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2021 12:06:41 -0500 Subject: [BaseCamp] BaseCamp on Linux ?? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks for the input. I have heard about running Wine for BaseCamp. Something new to look into. I'm not aware of Virtualbox, so I'll have to read up on that. 4G of RAM is all this older CF-30 can handle according to the research. But for what I plan to use it for, 4G is not bad. Yeah Jerry, it may not be up to today's standards but it should operate fine for my needs. I'll try it out for a while and see. Anyone with hands-on experiences running BaseCamp on Linux, I'd appreciate hearing any woes as well as the good points. I've had good experience running it with Windows for years. Virus-free. www.avg.com <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> On Mon, Feb 8, 2021 at 12:04 AM Jerry White wrote: > Yeah I use Virtualbox on my Mac to run Windows. It's fine, and free too. Do > that. And for heaven's sake, add RAM. 4G? I'm surprised you can buy a > system with 4G. > > Can't answer the Basecamp on Linux question, but I assume the answer is no. > Garmin makes consumer products and Linux is not a mainstream consumer OS. > Also, Basecamp is a GUI, but Linux is not a native GUI, you need various > flavors or addins to get a GUI, and that would force Garmin to choose which > Linux GUI it wanted to support. > > On Sun, Feb 7, 2021 at 8:00 PM Bill Norris wrote: > > > If you had some more ram I would consider using Virtualbox. > > The nice thing about a virtual machine is that you can 'Save State' > > instead of shutting down. 'booting up' would be very fast. > > > > Bill > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Basecamp on behalf of saddle > > sore > > Sent: Sunday, February 7, 2021 6:59 PM > > To: BaseCamp > > Subject: [BaseCamp] BaseCamp on Linux ?? > > > > I just picked up a new-to-me ToughBook. My regular laptop travels well > but > > ya can't miss with a Toughbook. With a new 1T harddrive and 4GB RAM, > I've > > partitioned off Windows 7 to it's own corner and I am running Linux > Ubuntu > > as my default operating system now. Lots for me to learn. > > > > Are you running BaseCamp on Linux? If so, where do I find the version > for > > Linux? I've been looking and Google is suggesting alternatives but not > > BaseCamp specifically. > > > > I guess I can always select Windows as the perating system when I want to > > run BaseCamp, but I'd prefer running Linux all the time. > > > > Any one successful with BaseCamp on Linux? > > > > Thanks, Joe Y > > in western Pennsylvania > > > > < > > > http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail > > > > > Virus-free. > > www.avg.com > > < > > > http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail > > > > > <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > > > > To make _ANY_ changes, including unsubscribing from this list, click > -----> > > http://micapeak.com/mailman/listinfo/basecamp > > > > > > To make _ANY_ changes, including unsubscribing from this list, click > -----> > > http://micapeak.com/mailman/listinfo/basecamp > > > > > > To make _ANY_ changes, including unsubscribing from this list, click -----> > http://micapeak.com/mailman/listinfo/basecamp > > Virus-free. www.avg.com <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> From gregg.lenentine at gmail.com Mon Feb 8 11:59:18 2021 From: gregg.lenentine at gmail.com (Gregg Lenentine) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2021 14:59:18 -0500 Subject: [BaseCamp] BaseCamp on Linux ?? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: A couple of things to consider: 1. Wine is fine, most of the time, and they get their updates from the "for profit" side of the business called Crossover Office. Crossover isn't that expensive and may be worth the investment. However, if you are tied to OpenSource then Wine should work as well (except that Crossover Office would/could work for other things besides Basecamp). YMMV 2. Skip Virtualbox on Linux, or Virtualbox on any platform. Oracle is doing something to Virtualbox that is making it a dog in performance and compatibility. There are a lot of people complaining about how Virtualbox has been on the decline over the past few years. On Linux, for the truest, most compatible performance, consider using KVM with Qemu and VirtManager. KVM (or Kernel Virtual Manager) is as its name implies, is built INTO the kernel, not as an application abstraction sitting on the kernel. If you are unsure about how to install KVM on Linux, YouTube is your friend. Must be a bazillion videos to watch on this subject. Gregg 485 On Mon, Feb 8, 2021 at 12:07 PM saddle sore wrote: > Thanks for the input. I have heard about running Wine for BaseCamp. > Something new to look into. I'm not aware of Virtualbox, so I'll have to > read up on that. > > 4G of RAM is all this older CF-30 can handle according to the research. > But for what I plan to use it for, 4G is not bad. Yeah Jerry, it may not > be up to today's standards but it should operate fine for my needs. I'll > try it out for a while and see. > > Anyone with hands-on experiences running BaseCamp on Linux, I'd appreciate > hearing any woes as well as the good points. I've had good experience > running it with Windows for years. > > < > http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail > > > Virus-free. > www.avg.com > < > http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail > > > <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > > On Mon, Feb 8, 2021 at 12:04 AM Jerry White > wrote: > > > Yeah I use Virtualbox on my Mac to run Windows. It's fine, and free too. > Do > > that. And for heaven's sake, add RAM. 4G? I'm surprised you can buy a > > system with 4G. > > > > Can't answer the Basecamp on Linux question, but I assume the answer is > no. > > Garmin makes consumer products and Linux is not a mainstream consumer OS. > > Also, Basecamp is a GUI, but Linux is not a native GUI, you need various > > flavors or addins to get a GUI, and that would force Garmin to choose > which > > Linux GUI it wanted to support. > > > > On Sun, Feb 7, 2021 at 8:00 PM Bill Norris wrote: > > > > > If you had some more ram I would consider using Virtualbox. > > > The nice thing about a virtual machine is that you can 'Save State' > > > instead of shutting down. 'booting up' would be very fast. > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > From: Basecamp on behalf of > saddle > > > sore > > > Sent: Sunday, February 7, 2021 6:59 PM > > > To: BaseCamp > > > Subject: [BaseCamp] BaseCamp on Linux ?? > > > > > > I just picked up a new-to-me ToughBook. My regular laptop travels well > > but > > > ya can't miss with a Toughbook. With a new 1T harddrive and 4GB RAM, > > I've > > > partitioned off Windows 7 to it's own corner and I am running Linux > > Ubuntu > > > as my default operating system now. Lots for me to learn. > > > > > > Are you running BaseCamp on Linux? If so, where do I find the version > > for > > > Linux? I've been looking and Google is suggesting alternatives but not > > > BaseCamp specifically. > > > > > > I guess I can always select Windows as the perating system when I want > to > > > run BaseCamp, but I'd prefer running Linux all the time. > > > > > > Any one successful with BaseCamp on Linux? > > > > > > Thanks, Joe Y > > > in western Pennsylvania > > > > > > < > > > > > > http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail > > > > > > > Virus-free. > > > www.avg.com > > > < > > > > > > http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail > > > > > > > <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > > > > > > To make _ANY_ changes, including unsubscribing from this list, click > > -----> > > > http://micapeak.com/mailman/listinfo/basecamp > > > > > > > > > To make _ANY_ changes, including unsubscribing from this list, click > > -----> > > > http://micapeak.com/mailman/listinfo/basecamp > > > > > > > > > > To make _ANY_ changes, including unsubscribing from this list, click > -----> > > http://micapeak.com/mailman/listinfo/basecamp > > > > > < > http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail > > > Virus-free. > www.avg.com > < > http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail > > > <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > > To make _ANY_ changes, including unsubscribing from this list, click -----> > http://micapeak.com/mailman/listinfo/basecamp > > From sam at beckysam.com Mon Feb 8 22:29:26 2021 From: sam at beckysam.com (Sam) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2021 22:29:26 -0800 Subject: [BaseCamp] BaseCamp on Linux ?? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0a8f673b-ef6e-f3fc-e2ab-dd3cab2160d8@beckysam.com> saddle sore wrote: > Any one successful with BaseCamp on Linux? Yes. Curious about this, today I installed wine on my Linux Mint 20.1 system. It also required winetricks to pre-install the required .net levels before installing BaseCamp. BaseCamp_425 (the last support for XP), and BaseCamp_452 (for Win 7) both install and run. I have not tried all the functions/features, so they may not satisfy your needs. All releases after 452 (462 470 471 472 473) do not install. Also, I do not agree with the negative opinion of Virtual Box. Linux (Ubuntu or Mint, my preference, which is built on Ubuntu) runs perfectly well in as little as 2 gig memory. The other 2 gig in you system can be given through Virtual Box to run Windows 7 very well at near native speed. Win10 is another matter though. I easily run 2 or three simultaneous VB systems on my 8 gig memory - but simultaneous disk access is where they all slow down (even with KVM). -- Sam From tom at alaskatech.org Tue Feb 9 08:40:04 2021 From: tom at alaskatech.org (Tom) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2021 07:40:04 -0900 Subject: [BaseCamp] BaseCamp on Linux ?? In-Reply-To: <0a8f673b-ef6e-f3fc-e2ab-dd3cab2160d8@beckysam.com> References: <0a8f673b-ef6e-f3fc-e2ab-dd3cab2160d8@beckysam.com> Message-ID: <85c86923-ab1b-1fd0-3e32-f8c096510ea8@alaskatech.org> > saddle sore wrote: >> Any one successful with BaseCamp on Linux? > Sam wrote: > Yes. > > Curious about this, today I installed wine on my Linux Mint 20.1 > system. It also required winetricks to pre-install the required .net > levels before installing BaseCamp. > > BaseCamp_425 (the last support for XP), and BaseCamp_452 (for Win 7) > both install and run. I have not tried all the functions/features, so > they may not satisfy your needs. > > All releases after 452 (462 470 471 472 473) do not install. > > Also, I do not agree with the negative opinion of Virtual Box. Linux > (Ubuntu or Mint, my preference, which is built on Ubuntu) runs > perfectly well in as little as 2 gig memory. The other 2 gig in you > system can be given through Virtual Box to run Windows 7 very well at > near native speed. Win10 is another matter though. I easily run 2 or > three simultaneous VB systems on my 8 gig memory - but simultaneous > disk access is where they all slow down (even with KVM). > The Wine notes say you can install .Net 461 from Winetricks, then BC 4.25 in Wine, then copy any later version from Windows into the BC 4.25 folder in the Wine prefix and it'll "just work". I'm going to try this with 4.25 then 4.71 and see what happens. From sam at beckysam.com Tue Feb 9 13:45:31 2021 From: sam at beckysam.com (Sam) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2021 13:45:31 -0800 Subject: [BaseCamp] BaseCamp on Linux ?? In-Reply-To: <85c86923-ab1b-1fd0-3e32-f8c096510ea8@alaskatech.org> References: <0a8f673b-ef6e-f3fc-e2ab-dd3cab2160d8@beckysam.com> <85c86923-ab1b-1fd0-3e32-f8c096510ea8@alaskatech.org> Message-ID: <3ab04acd-333c-3fc7-0304-ce90b2105fec@beckysam.com> Tom wrote: > The Wine notes say you can install .Net 461 from Winetricks, then BC 4.25 in > Wine, then copy any later version from Windows into the BC 4.25 folder in the > Wine prefix and it'll "just work". I'm going to try this with 4.25 then 4.71 and > see what happens. At your suggestion I tried that (with 471). It started but failed. I am not going to investigate further. -- Sam From gregg.lenentine at gmail.com Tue Feb 9 18:41:42 2021 From: gregg.lenentine at gmail.com (Gregg Lenentine) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2021 21:41:42 -0500 Subject: [BaseCamp] BaseCamp on Linux ?? In-Reply-To: <0a8f673b-ef6e-f3fc-e2ab-dd3cab2160d8@beckysam.com> References: <0a8f673b-ef6e-f3fc-e2ab-dd3cab2160d8@beckysam.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Feb 9, 2021, 01:31 Sam wrote: > > Also, I do not agree with the negative opinion of Virtual Box. Linux > (Ubuntu or > Mint, my preference, which is built on Ubuntu) runs perfectly well in as > little > as 2 gig memory. The other 2 gig in you system can be given through > Virtual Box > to run Windows 7 very well at near native speed. Win10 is another matter > though. I easily run 2 or three simultaneous VB systems on my 8 gig memory > - but > simultaneous disk access is where they all slow down (even with KVM). > My "negative opinion" as you penned it about VB was specifically made with Win10 in mind because, well frankly, MS has deprecated every previous version and is actively moving older OS users to Win10 on a free upgrade. XP also ran quit well under VB but I wouldn't encourage its use because.... You know... It's dead. > From jerrywhite518 at gmail.com Sat Feb 13 13:22:41 2021 From: jerrywhite518 at gmail.com (Jerry White) Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2021 13:22:41 -0800 Subject: [BaseCamp] test message Message-ID: please ignore