what a pain!

[Steve Northrop]

A ZX11 lower end uses the same crank, rods, pistons and cylinder as our GPZ. 
However, the cylinder head and cams are different. I was suggesting using a 
ZX11 "short block" and bolting your GPZ cylinder head and cams onto it. They 
will bolt onto a ZX11 engine no problem. I just don't know if the engine 
cases (that have the mounting points) or if the countershaft sprocket offset 
is the same as ours. If it were me and I was truly interested in keeping the 
bike, it's something I would look into.

Steve in Western NY
'96 GPZ1100
'02 Daytona 955i
"You Can't Fix Stupid", Ron White

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Daniels" <dwaynedaniels at sbcglobal.net>
To: "Steve Northrop" <blackgpz at rochester.rr.com>; "GPZ LIST" 
<gpzlist at micapeak.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 8:48 PM
Subject: Re: what a pain!


> Pardon my ignorance Steve, but if the rod bearings are done in, why would 
> changing out the cams and cyinder head put me back in business??
>
> Steve Northrop <blackgpz at rochester.rr.com> wrote:  George is exactly right 
> about the gold flakes. You didn't tell us about them
> before. Sounds like that GUNK stuff did the bearings in. Anybody know if a
> ZX11 bottom end would bolt in? The GPZ engine shares a lot of the same
> components. Don't know if the cases/countershaft sprocket location is the
> same as ours. I do know the ZX11 does not use the same countershaft
> sprocket. If so, you could just change out the cams and cylinder head and 
> be
> back in business. It's a shame you're having so many troubles. The GPZ
> really is a great bike, just not indestructible.
>
> Steve in Western NY
> '96 GPZ1100
> '02 Daytona 955i
> "You Can't Fix Stupid", Ron White
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Dave Daniels"
> To: "Jameson, George E." ; "GPZ LIST"
>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 8:22 PM
> Subject: RE: what a pain!
>
>
>>I was kind of wondering if this could be the case. If it comes to it, I'll
>>part it out, unless I can find an engine. Thanks.
>>
>> "Jameson, George E." wrote: Gold flakes in
>> oil is bearing backing material, there is no good news here. You have
>> reached a difficult decision making point. Inspect/rebuild yourself, buy 
>> a
>> salvage motor, or part out. Professional rebuild will be close to what 
>> the
>> bike is worth. Good luck.
>>
>> ________________________________
>>
>> From: Dave Daniels [mailto:dwaynedaniels at sbcglobal.net]
>> Sent: Tue 1/9/2007 4:21 PM
>> To: GPZ LIST
>> Subject: what a pain!
>>
>>
>>
>> Well, I've gotten my new clutch in, and it is operating properly now it
>> seems. But, my problems are far from over. I'm going to summarize below
>> what I've gone through to this point. Maybe all you experts could help
>> me/lead me to what I should do next.
>>
>> My clutch was slipping which was the first problem. Somebody suggested
>> that maybe putting in that synthetic oil, which has anti-friction
>> additives in it, caused those additives to get embedded in the friction
>> plates, which could be causing the slipping. Afterall, the bike only has
>> just over 4000 miles on it. How could the clutch be bad yet? So, I
>> thought, maybe I'll try running some Gunk engine flush through there.
>> Actually a friend recommended it since he's been doing it for 30 years.
>> Maybe that'll clean off those plates and it'll stop slipping. So, I tried
>> it, then refilled with regular Kawasaki oil. Yep, it stopped slipping, 
>> but
>> soon, the bike started running badly and was acting like the clutch was
>> gonna sieze up. My guess was that, when I drained the oil after the 
>> flush,
>> I didn't get it all out of the oil cooler and the remaining gunk-filled
>> oil mixed with the new oil and messed up the new oil. So, I drained it
>> again and made sure all of it was out. Refilled again
>> with standard oil. Still running badly, and ticking now. So, I do a valve
>> adjustment and it needed it. Still ticking, and now when I get on the
>> throttle, I get a strange rattley, growling noise(hard to describe). 
>> Plus,
>> the clutch is slipping again. Finally, I get mad and open up the clutch 
>> to
>> discover one of the fingers(tangs) on the clutch basket has broken off 
>> and
>> is nowhere to be seen. This is when I drop the pan and find it to be a
>> horrible mess. gold metal flakes all over the bottom and especially 
>> around
>> the magnetic drain plugs. Oil pump sucker screen almost completely 
>> clogged
>> up. And, I found the broken tang in the bottom of the pan. I got a new
>> basket and some new plates, cleaned out the pan and replaced the screens
>> and put it back together. Except for the clutch slipping, it seems that
>> these noise problems began after I did the engine flush. Still have the
>> noises and it's getting worse. So, tell me all you experts, what's the
>> prognosis? I'm really really
>> discouraged here. Thanks very much for all the help you guys provide. It
>> is priceless!
>>
>> Dave D.
>>
>>
>>
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