Yea, same in plane cockpits. Bill Denton Yardley, PA wkdenton at verizon.net Lazarus Cycleworks, LLC We make "Left for Dead" roadworthy again! Specializing in reanimating bikes from 1970 through 1999 ----- Original Message ----- From: "1KPerDay" <1kperday at gmail.com> One of the reasons OEM > uses red is so you can ride at night without eye fatigue or whatever.