From wkdenton at verizon.net Sun Jan 17 10:18:12 2021 From: wkdenton at verizon.net (Bill Denton) Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2021 13:18:12 -0500 Subject: Oil level check References: <7FBF9509-A6D5-4753-AD3E-06CEF7A62E5C.ref@verizon.net> Message-ID: <7FBF9509-A6D5-4753-AD3E-06CEF7A62E5C@verizon.net> Hi gang, Happy New year to all. I still own and love my fast black '96, but one particular idiosyncrasy about the motor has always flummoxed me, namely checking the oil level. With every other motorcycle I've ever owned, the way I've always checked the oil level is with a warm engine. But after a ride with the GPz, when I check the sight glass it always seems "overfull" ie it completely fills the sight glass and always seems to take overnight to settle back down to where I can actually gauge the fullness. Because of this phenomenon, I usually fill the oil (only) to the halfway full mark when cold because I'm paranoid about overfilling and then causing internal damage to the bike from excessive foaming if the (over full) oil gets whipped by the crank throws. So I'm asking your collective opinion(s) about the conditions under which you check your oil and if you experience the same issue about the oil in your 95-96 GPz motor taking overnight to settle. TIA, Bill in Yardley, PA William K Denton wkdenton at verizon.net 215-428-3981 home/office 267-980-7788 cell From Sirdondiego at outlook.com Sun Jan 17 20:04:14 2021 From: Sirdondiego at outlook.com (Don French) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 04:04:14 +0000 Subject: Oil level check In-Reply-To: <7FBF9509-A6D5-4753-AD3E-06CEF7A62E5C@verizon.net> References: <7FBF9509-A6D5-4753-AD3E-06CEF7A62E5C.ref@verizon.net>, <7FBF9509-A6D5-4753-AD3E-06CEF7A62E5C@verizon.net> Message-ID: In the 42 Thousand miles I rode my 95 “Rock and Roll Red,” It’s oil symptom remained the same as Yours’. At each oil change R & R both drain plugs and the filter, pour in 4 quarts, start and check for leaks. After every 500 miles park the bike on it’s center stand and check oil level the next day. With that bike it’s best to check it stone cold because it will never change without a tear down to discover Why it takes so very long draining down all the way. I really would like to know the exact reason for the slow draining. Happy riding, Bill. Dondiego. Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Bill Denton Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2021 12:18 PM To: Don French Subject: Oil level check Hi gang, Happy New year to all. I still own and love my fast black '96, but one particular idiosyncrasy about the motor has always flummoxed me, namely checking the oil level. With every other motorcycle I've ever owned, the way I've always checked the oil level is with a warm engine. But after a ride with the GPz, when I check the sight glass it always seems "overfull" ie it completely fills the sight glass and always seems to take overnight to settle back down to where I can actually gauge the fullness. Because of this phenomenon, I usually fill the oil (only) to the halfway full mark when cold because I'm paranoid about overfilling and then causing internal damage to the bike from excessive foaming if the (over full) oil gets whipped by the crank throws. So I'm asking your collective opinion(s) about the conditions under which you check your oil and if you experience the same issue about the oil in your 95-96 GPz motor taking overnight to settle. TIA, Bill in Yardley, PA William K Denton wkdenton at verizon.net 215-428-3981 home/office 267-980-7788 cell ______________________________________________________________________ GENERAL GPZList MAILING LIST INFORMATION: This is from the GPZList mailing list. GPZList at lists.micapeak.com https://lists.micapeak.com/mailman/listinfo/gpzlist You subscribed to this mailing list. Therefore, you solicited all mail that you receive from this list. Therefore, ANY mail that you receive from this list is, by definition, NOT Spam, and if you report it as such, you are violating the lists.micapeak.com terms of service. To unsubscribe, you may send email to gpzlist-unsubscribe at lists.micapeak.com ______________________________________________________________________ YOUR PERSONAL SUBSCRIBER OPTIONS: Unsubscribe or choose new options at https://lists.micapeak.com/mailman/options/gpzlist/sirdondiego%40outlook.com You are subscribed at the email address Sirdondiego at outlook.com ______________________________________________________________________ From gpz1100abs at gmail.com Mon Jan 18 02:24:19 2021 From: gpz1100abs at gmail.com (Ped) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 10:24:19 +0000 Subject: Oil level check In-Reply-To: References: <7FBF9509-A6D5-4753-AD3E-06CEF7A62E5C.ref@verizon.net> Message-ID: Hi Bill, The oil guage issue was discussed here when the list was new, i.e. many, many years ago :) If I remember correctly, a few - including myself - had this issue, but most didn't. I don't think a conclusion was ever reached as to why it was so. Mine behaves in the following way: When I change the oil and the oil filter I pour in exactly the amount of fresh oil specified in the manual (3.5 litres). Then I know that the engine has the amount of oil it is supposed to. After a short trip I place the bike on its centerstand on the level garage floor. At that point in time the oil glass will be full. After about 24 hours the upper level of the oil becomes visible in the top of sight glass. After another 24 hours the oil level finally settles in the middle of the sight glass and does not go any lower. So when the engine (my engine) has the correct amount of oil in it, the oil level in the sight glass is not at the upper level (as you would expect) but rather right in between max and min. It behaves that way any time the engine has been run, to gauging oil level with a warm engine is really not possible. Why it is so I don't know. I've never heard of any other motorcycle engine with that behavior. So how do I guage the oil level when I'm on a extended tour and ride every day? I don't - because I can't. But I have a fairly good idea of the oil consumption. If for example I have been riding 1000 km on the motorway I know it tends to use a little oil, and I will give it a deciliter or so, no matter what the sight glass shows (it will be full anyway). If I ride on back roads only, I can wait another 1000 km before adding oil. And apparently this behavior has no effect on its lifetime. Mine has now 229.000 km (142.000 miles) on the odo and is still going strong :) Ped '96 "Black Stealth" GPZ Denmark ------ Original Meddelelse ------ Fra: "Don French" Til: "ped" Sendt: 18-01-2021 05:04:14 Emne: RE: Oil level check >In the 42 Thousand miles I rode my 95 “Rock and Roll Red,” It’s oil symptom remained the same as Yours’. > >At each oil change R & R both drain plugs and the filter, pour in 4 quarts, start and check for leaks. > >After every 500 miles park the bike on it’s center stand and check oil level the next day. > >With that bike it’s best to check it stone cold because it will never change without a tear down to discover >Why it takes so very long draining down all the way. I really would like to know the exact reason for the slow >draining. > >Happy riding, Bill. > >Dondiego. > > > >Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > >From: Bill Denton >Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2021 12:18 PM >To: Don French >Subject: Oil level check > >Hi gang, > >Happy New year to all. I still own and love my fast black '96, but one particular idiosyncrasy about the motor has always flummoxed me, namely checking the oil level. With every other motorcycle I've ever owned, the way I've always checked the oil level is with a warm engine. But after a ride with the GPz, when I check the sight glass it always seems "overfull" ie it completely fills the sight glass and always seems to take overnight to settle back down to where I can actually gauge the fullness. Because of this phenomenon, I usually fill the oil (only) to the halfway full mark when cold because I'm paranoid about overfilling and then causing internal damage to the bike from excessive foaming if the (over full) oil gets whipped by the crank throws. > >So I'm asking your collective opinion(s) about the conditions under which you check your oil and if you experience the same issue about the oil in your 95-96 GPz motor taking overnight to settle. > >TIA, >Bill in Yardley, PA > >William K Denton >wkdenton at verizon.net >215-428-3981 home/office >267-980-7788 cell >______________________________________________________________________ >GENERAL GPZList MAILING LIST INFORMATION: >This is from the GPZList mailing list. GPZList at lists.micapeak.com >https://lists.micapeak.com/mailman/listinfo/gpzlist >You subscribed to this mailing list. Therefore, you solicited all >mail that you receive from this list. Therefore, ANY mail that you >receive from this list is, by definition, NOT Spam, and if you report >it as such, you are violating the lists.micapeak.com terms of service. > >To unsubscribe, you may send email to gpzlist-unsubscribe at lists.micapeak.com >______________________________________________________________________ >YOUR PERSONAL SUBSCRIBER OPTIONS: >Unsubscribe or choose new options at >https://lists.micapeak.com/mailman/options/gpzlist/sirdondiego%40outlook.com >You are subscribed at the email address Sirdondiego at outlook.com >______________________________________________________________________ > >______________________________________________________________________ >GENERAL GPZList MAILING LIST INFORMATION: >This is from the GPZList mailing list. GPZList at lists.micapeak.com >https://lists.micapeak.com/mailman/listinfo/gpzlist >You subscribed to this mailing list. Therefore, you solicited all >mail that you receive from this list. Therefore, ANY mail that you >receive from this list is, by definition, NOT Spam, and if you report >it as such, you are violating the lists.micapeak.com terms of service. > >To unsubscribe, you may send email to gpzlist-unsubscribe at lists.micapeak.com >______________________________________________________________________ >YOUR PERSONAL SUBSCRIBER OPTIONS: >Unsubscribe or choose new options at >https://lists.micapeak.com/mailman/options/gpzlist/gpz1100abs%40gmail.com >You are subscribed at the email address gpz1100abs at gmail.com >______________________________________________________________________ From tuner_delorean at yahoo.com Mon Jan 18 08:40:04 2021 From: tuner_delorean at yahoo.com (Randy noneofyourbusiness) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 16:40:04 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Oil level check In-Reply-To: References: <7FBF9509-A6D5-4753-AD3E-06CEF7A62E5C.ref@verizon.net> Message-ID: <490722559.646692.1610988004804@mail.yahoo.com> not currently riding, but still have it, but I did same as I did my old 1980 KZ1000 I had before this, a 4 quart change, check it every few weeks cold, on trips, I had someone glance at level while I held bike as level as I could, after eating, so it would sit a few min, but thats like 500 miles between checks for peace of mind, it used a little, if I remember a 1/2 quart every 2K miles & I changed it every 3-4k miles was just thinking & talking about this bike to a co-worker yesterday, & wanting to put it back on the road On Monday, January 18, 2021, 05:25:06 AM EST, Ped wrote: Hi Bill, The oil guage issue was discussed here when the list was new, i.e. many, many years ago :) If I remember correctly, a few - including myself - had this issue, but most didn't. I don't think a conclusion was ever reached as to why it was so. Mine behaves in the following way: When I change the oil and the oil filter I pour in exactly the amount of fresh oil specified in the manual (3.5 litres). Then I know that the engine has the amount of oil it is supposed to. After a short trip I place the bike on its centerstand on the level garage floor. At that point in time the oil glass will be full. After about 24 hours the upper level of the oil becomes visible in the top of sight glass. After another 24 hours the oil level finally settles in the middle of the sight glass and does not go any lower. So when the engine (my engine) has the correct amount of oil in it, the oil level in the sight glass is not at the upper level (as you would expect) but rather right in between max and min. It behaves that way any time the engine has been run, to gauging oil level with a warm engine is really not possible. Why it is so I don't know. I've never heard of any other motorcycle engine with that behavior. So how do I guage the oil level when I'm on a extended tour and ride every day? I don't - because I can't. But I have a fairly good idea of the oil consumption. If for example I have been riding 1000 km on the motorway I know it tends to use a little oil, and I will give it a deciliter or so, no matter what the sight glass shows (it will be full anyway). If I ride on back roads only, I can wait another 1000 km before adding oil. And apparently this behavior has no effect on its lifetime. Mine has now 229.000 km (142.000 miles) on the odo and is still going strong :) Ped '96 "Black Stealth" GPZ Denmark ------ Original Meddelelse ------ Fra: "Don French" Til: "ped" Sendt: 18-01-2021 05:04:14 Emne: RE: Oil level check >In the 42 Thousand miles I rode my 95 “Rock and Roll Red,” It’s oil symptom remained the same as Yours’. > >At each oil change R & R both drain plugs and the filter, pour in 4 quarts, start and check for leaks. > >After every 500 miles park the bike on it’s center stand and check oil level the next day. > >With that bike it’s best to check it stone cold because it will never change without a tear down to discover >Why it takes so very long draining down all the way. I really would like to know the exact reason for the slow >draining. > >Happy riding, Bill. > >Dondiego. > > > >Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > >From: Bill Denton >Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2021 12:18 PM >To: Don French >Subject: Oil level check > >Hi gang, > >Happy New year to all. I still own and love my fast black '96, but one particular idiosyncrasy about the motor has always flummoxed me, namely checking the oil level. With every other motorcycle I've ever owned, the way I've always checked the oil level is with a warm engine. But after a ride with the GPz, when I check the sight glass it always seems "overfull" ie it completely fills the sight glass and always seems to take overnight to settle back down to where I can actually gauge the fullness. Because of this phenomenon, I usually fill the oil (only) to the halfway full mark when cold because I'm paranoid about overfilling and then causing internal damage to the bike from excessive foaming if the (over full) oil gets whipped by the crank throws. > >So I'm asking your collective opinion(s) about the conditions under which you check your oil and if you experience the same issue about the oil in your 95-96 GPz motor taking overnight to settle. > >TIA, >Bill in Yardley, PA > >William K Denton >wkdenton at verizon.net >215-428-3981 home/office >267-980-7788 cell >______________________________________________________________________ >GENERAL GPZList MAILING LIST INFORMATION: >This is from the GPZList mailing list. GPZList at lists.micapeak.com >https://lists.micapeak.com/mailman/listinfo/gpzlist >You subscribed to this mailing list. Therefore, you solicited all >mail that you receive from this list. Therefore, ANY mail that you >receive from this list is, by definition, NOT Spam, and if you report >it as such, you are violating the lists.micapeak.com terms of service. > >To unsubscribe, you may send email to gpzlist-unsubscribe at lists.micapeak.com >______________________________________________________________________ >YOUR PERSONAL SUBSCRIBER OPTIONS: >Unsubscribe or choose new options at >https://lists.micapeak.com/mailman/options/gpzlist/sirdondiego%40outlook.com >You are subscribed at the email address Sirdondiego at outlook.com >______________________________________________________________________ > >______________________________________________________________________ >GENERAL GPZList MAILING LIST INFORMATION: >This is from the GPZList mailing list. GPZList at lists.micapeak.com >https://lists.micapeak.com/mailman/listinfo/gpzlist >You subscribed to this mailing list. Therefore, you solicited all >mail that you receive from this list. Therefore, ANY mail that you >receive from this list is, by definition, NOT Spam, and if you report >it as such, you are violating the lists.micapeak.com terms of service. > >To unsubscribe, you may send email to gpzlist-unsubscribe at lists.micapeak.com >______________________________________________________________________ >YOUR PERSONAL SUBSCRIBER OPTIONS: >Unsubscribe or choose new options at >https://lists.micapeak.com/mailman/options/gpzlist/gpz1100abs%40gmail.com >You are subscribed at the email address gpz1100abs at gmail.com >______________________________________________________________________ ______________________________________________________________________ GENERAL GPZList MAILING LIST INFORMATION: This is from the GPZList mailing list. GPZList at lists.micapeak.com https://lists.micapeak.com/mailman/listinfo/gpzlist You subscribed to this mailing list. Therefore, you solicited all mail that you receive from this list. Therefore, ANY mail that you receive from this list is, by definition, NOT Spam, and if you report it as such, you are violating the lists.micapeak.com terms of service. To unsubscribe, you may send email to gpzlist-unsubscribe at lists.micapeak.com ______________________________________________________________________ YOUR PERSONAL SUBSCRIBER OPTIONS: Unsubscribe or choose new options at https://lists.micapeak.com/mailman/options/gpzlist/tuner_delorean%40yahoo.com You are subscribed at the email address tuner_delorean at yahoo.com ______________________________________________________________________ From arthjohnson270 at gmail.com Mon Jan 18 13:50:08 2021 From: arthjohnson270 at gmail.com (Art Johnson) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 14:50:08 -0700 Subject: Oil level check In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6EA172EA-E924-468E-B01F-E568BBE4A47F@gmail.com> We took the Gpz to a Honda shop in Marghera for an olio change in 2018. I dont believe they knew about two drain plugs. In 2019, the shop mgr was shown the bike manual page with drain plugs. They only charged for 3 liters of superpremio Fuchs @€20each! Yipes. At home oil changes now include overnight drain time. Even the Voyager has two drain plugs. > On Jan 18, 2021, at 3:25 AM, Ped wrote: > Hi Bill, > > The oil guage issue was discussed here when the list was new, i.e. many, many years ago :) If I remember correctly, a few - including myself - had this issue, but most didn't. I don't think a conclusion was ever reached as to why it was so. Mine behaves in the following way: > > When I change the oil and the oil filter I pour in exactly the amount of fresh oil specified in the manual (3.5 litres). Then I know that the engine has the amount of oil it is supposed to. After a short trip I place the bike on its centerstand on the level garage floor. At that point in time the oil glass will be full. After about 24 hours the upper level of the oil becomes visible in the top of sight glass. After another 24 hours the oil level finally settles in the middle of the sight glass and does not go any lower. So when the engine (my engine) has the correct amount of oil in it, the oil level in the sight glass is not at the upper level (as you would expect) but rather right in between max and min. It behaves that way any time the engine has been run, to gauging oil level with a warm engine is really not possible. Why it is so I don't know. I've never heard of any other motorcycle engine with that behavior. > > So how do I guage the oil level when I'm on a extended tour and ride every day? I don't - because I can't. But I have a fairly good idea of the oil consumption. If for example I have been riding 1000 km on the motorway I know it tends to use a little oil, and I will give it a deciliter or so, no matter what the sight glass shows (it will be full anyway). If I ride on back roads only, I can wait another 1000 km before adding oil. And apparently this behavior has no effect on its lifetime. Mine has now 229.000 km (142.000 miles) on the odo and is still going strong :) > > Ped > '96 "Black Stealth" GPZ > Denmark > > > ------ Original Meddelelse ------ > Fra: "Don French" > Til: "ped" > Sendt: 18-01-2021 05:04:14 > Emne: RE: Oil level check > >> In the 42 Thousand miles I rode my 95 “Rock and Roll Red,” It’s oil symptom remained the same as Yours’. >> >> At each oil change R & R both drain plugs and the filter, pour in 4 quarts, start and check for leaks. >> >> After every 500 miles park the bike on it’s center stand and check oil level the next day. >> >> With that bike it’s best to check it stone cold because it will never change without a tear down to discover >> Why it takes so very long draining down all the way. I really would like to know the exact reason for the slow >> draining. >> >> Happy riding, Bill. >> >> Dondiego. >> >> >> >> Sent from Mail for Windows 10 >> >> From: Bill Denton >> Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2021 12:18 PM >> To: Don French >> Subject: Oil level check >> >> Hi gang, >> >> Happy New year to all. I still own and love my fast black '96, but one particular idiosyncrasy about the motor has always flummoxed me, namely checking the oil level. With every other motorcycle I've ever owned, the way I've always checked the oil level is with a warm engine. But after a ride with the GPz, when I check the sight glass it always seems "overfull" ie it completely fills the sight glass and always seems to take overnight to settle back down to where I can actually gauge the fullness. Because of this phenomenon, I usually fill the oil (only) to the halfway full mark when cold because I'm paranoid about overfilling and then causing internal damage to the bike from excessive foaming if the (over full) oil gets whipped by the crank throws. >> >> So I'm asking your collective opinion(s) about the conditions under which you check your oil and if you experience the same issue about the oil in your 95-96 GPz motor taking overnight to settle. >> >> TIA, >> Bill in Yardley, PA >> >> William K Denton >> wkdenton at verizon.net >> 215-428-3981 home/office >> 267-980-7788 cell >> ______________________________________________________________________ >> GENERAL GPZList MAILING LIST INFORMATION: >> This is from the GPZList mailing list. GPZList at lists.micapeak.com >> https://lists.micapeak.com/mailman/listinfo/gpzlist >> You subscribed to this mailing list. Therefore, you solicited all >> mail that you receive from this list. Therefore, ANY mail that you >> receive from this list is, by definition, NOT Spam, and if you report >> it as such, you are violating the lists.micapeak.com terms of service. >> >> To unsubscribe, you may send email to gpzlist-unsubscribe at lists.micapeak.com >> ______________________________________________________________________ >> YOUR PERSONAL SUBSCRIBER OPTIONS: >> Unsubscribe or choose new options at >> https://lists.micapeak.com/mailman/options/gpzlist/sirdondiego%40outlook.com >> You are subscribed at the email address Sirdondiego at outlook.com >> ______________________________________________________________________ >> >> ______________________________________________________________________ >> GENERAL GPZList MAILING LIST INFORMATION: >> This is from the GPZList mailing list. GPZList at lists.micapeak.com >> https://lists.micapeak.com/mailman/listinfo/gpzlist >> You subscribed to this mailing list. Therefore, you solicited all >> mail that you receive from this list. Therefore, ANY mail that you >> receive from this list is, by definition, NOT Spam, and if you report >> it as such, you are violating the lists.micapeak.com terms of service. >> >> To unsubscribe, you may send email to gpzlist-unsubscribe at lists.micapeak.com >> ______________________________________________________________________ >> YOUR PERSONAL SUBSCRIBER OPTIONS: >> Unsubscribe or choose new options at >> https://lists.micapeak.com/mailman/options/gpzlist/gpz1100abs%40gmail.com >> You are subscribed at the email address gpz1100abs at gmail.com >> ______________________________________________________________________ > > ______________________________________________________________________ > GENERAL GPZList MAILING LIST INFORMATION: > This is from the GPZList mailing list. GPZList at lists.micapeak.com > https://lists.micapeak.com/mailman/listinfo/gpzlist > You subscribed to this mailing list. Therefore, you solicited all > mail that you receive from this list. Therefore, ANY mail that you > receive from this list is, by definition, NOT Spam, and if you report > it as such, you are violating the lists.micapeak.com terms of service. > > To unsubscribe, you may send email to gpzlist-unsubscribe at lists.micapeak.com > ______________________________________________________________________ > YOUR PERSONAL SUBSCRIBER OPTIONS: > Unsubscribe or choose new options at > https://lists.micapeak.com/mailman/options/gpzlist/arthjohnson270%40gmail.com > You are subscribed at the email address arthjohnson270 at gmail.com > ______________________________________________________________________ From c_p_bowen at yahoo.com Tue Jan 19 07:09:10 2021 From: c_p_bowen at yahoo.com (Chris Bowen) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2021 15:09:10 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Oil level check In-Reply-To: <6EA172EA-E924-468E-B01F-E568BBE4A47F@gmail.com> References: <6EA172EA-E924-468E-B01F-E568BBE4A47F@gmail.com> Message-ID: <65547617.1023761.1611068950066@mail.yahoo.com> Know about the two plugs and overnight settle and I always fill by measure. Dumb question, but is it just that last little bit in the filter (certainly less than .5L!) or are there passageways a might too narrow elsewhere that cause the slow drain? CB in PA '95 GPZ Art - Yardley isn't too far from Devon... On Monday, January 18, 2021, 04:50:18 PM EST, Art Johnson wrote: We took the Gpz to a Honda shop in Marghera for an olio change in 2018. I dont believe they knew about two drain plugs. In 2019, the shop mgr was shown the bike manual page with drain plugs. They only charged for 3 liters of superpremio Fuchs @€20each! Yipes. At home oil changes now include overnight drain time. Even the Voyager has two drain plugs. > On Jan 18, 2021, at 3:25 AM, Ped wrote: > Hi Bill, > > The oil guage issue was discussed here when the list was new, i.e. many, many years ago :) If I remember correctly, a few - including myself - had this issue, but most didn't. I don't think a conclusion was ever reached as to why it was so. Mine behaves in the following way: > > When I change the oil and the oil filter I pour in exactly the amount of fresh oil specified in the manual (3.5 litres). Then I know that the engine has the amount of oil it is supposed to. After a short trip I place the bike on its centerstand on the level garage floor. At that point in time the oil glass will be full. After about 24 hours the upper level of the oil becomes visible in the top of sight glass. After another 24 hours the oil level finally settles in the middle of the sight glass and does not go any lower. So when the engine (my engine) has the correct amount of oil in it, the oil level in the sight glass is not at the upper level (as you would expect) but rather right in between max and min. It behaves that way any time the engine has been run, to gauging oil level with a warm engine is really not possible. Why it is so I don't know. I've never heard of any other motorcycle engine with that behavior. > > So how do I guage the oil level when I'm on a extended tour and ride every day? I don't - because I can't. But I have a fairly good idea of the oil consumption. If for example I have been riding 1000 km on the motorway I know it tends to use a little oil, and I will give it a deciliter or so, no matter what the sight glass shows (it will be full anyway). If I ride on back roads only, I can wait another 1000 km before adding oil. And apparently this behavior has no effect on its lifetime. Mine has now 229.000 km (142.000 miles) on the odo and is still going strong :) > > Ped > '96 "Black Stealth" GPZ > Denmark > > > ------ Original Meddelelse ------ > Fra: "Don French" > Til: "ped" > Sendt: 18-01-2021 05:04:14 > Emne: RE: Oil level check > >> In the 42 Thousand miles I rode my 95 “Rock and Roll Red,” It’s oil symptom remained the same as Yours’. >> >> At each oil change R & R both drain plugs and the filter, pour in 4 quarts, start and check for leaks. >> >> After every 500 miles park the bike on it’s center stand and check oil level the next day. >> >> With that bike it’s best to check it stone cold because it will never change without a tear down to discover >> Why it takes so very long draining down all the way. I really would like to know the exact reason for the slow >> draining. >> >> Happy riding, Bill. >> >> Dondiego. >> >> >> >> Sent from Mail for Windows 10 >> >> From: Bill Denton >> Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2021 12:18 PM >> To: Don French >> Subject: Oil level check >> >> Hi gang, >> >> Happy New year to all. I still own and love my fast black '96, but one particular idiosyncrasy about the motor has always flummoxed me, namely checking the oil level. With every other motorcycle I've ever owned, the way I've always checked the oil level is with a warm engine. But after a ride with the GPz, when I check the sight glass it always seems "overfull" ie it completely fills the sight glass and always seems to take overnight to settle back down to where I can actually gauge the fullness. Because of this phenomenon, I usually fill the oil (only) to the halfway full mark when cold because I'm paranoid about overfilling and then causing internal damage to the bike from excessive foaming if the (over full) oil gets whipped by the crank throws. >> >> So I'm asking your collective opinion(s) about the conditions under which you check your oil and if you experience the same issue about the oil in your 95-96 GPz motor taking overnight to settle. >> >> TIA, >> Bill in Yardley, PA >> >> William K Denton >> wkdenton at verizon.net >> 215-428-3981 home/office >> 267-980-7788 cell >> ______________________________________________________________________ >> GENERAL GPZList MAILING LIST INFORMATION: >> This is from the GPZList mailing list. GPZList at lists.micapeak.com >> https://lists.micapeak.com/mailman/listinfo/gpzlist >> You subscribed to this mailing list. Therefore, you solicited all >> mail that you receive from this list. 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Therefore, ANY mail that you receive from this list is, by definition, NOT Spam, and if you report it as such, you are violating the lists.micapeak.com terms of service. To unsubscribe, you may send email to gpzlist-unsubscribe at lists.micapeak.com ______________________________________________________________________ YOUR PERSONAL SUBSCRIBER OPTIONS: Unsubscribe or choose new options at https://lists.micapeak.com/mailman/options/gpzlist/c_p_bowen%40yahoo.com You are subscribed at the email address C_P_BOWEN at yahoo.com ______________________________________________________________________ From wkdenton at verizon.net Wed Jan 20 07:34:16 2021 From: wkdenton at verizon.net (William K Denton) Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2021 10:34:16 -0500 Subject: Oil level check In-Reply-To: <6EA172EA-E924-468E-B01F-E568BBE4A47F@gmail.com> References: <6EA172EA-E924-468E-B01F-E568BBE4A47F@gmail.com> Message-ID: <004c01d6ef41$b76376b0$262a6410$@verizon.net> Thank you all for your replies. This issue has bothered me since I purchased my '96 GPz1100 in 1998. I suppose I've lived with it this long, so I will continue to check my oil the day after as I have always done, as counterintuitive as that seems. William K. Denton Lazarus CycleWorks “We Breathe New Life into Old Bikes” wkdenton at verizon.net 267-980-7788 office/cell -----Original Message----- From: GPZList [mailto:gpzlist-bounces at lists.micapeak.com] On Behalf Of Art Johnson We took the Gpz to a Honda shop in Marghera for an olio change in 2018. I dont believe they knew about two drain plugs. In 2019, the shop mgr was shown the bike manual page with drain plugs. They only charged for 3 liters of superpremio Fuchs @€20each! Yipes. At home oil changes now include overnight drain time. 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