Brake Woes

Alexander Finger af at genevainformation.ch
Mon Jul 1 09:13:10 PDT 2019


Thanks, I'll have them change the lines..
rgds
Alex

Jeff Walker <walkerjl at charter.net> schrieb am Mo., 1. Juli 2019, 16:33:

>    Sounds like you need to look at your brakes master cylinder and flush
>    the lines very, very well. If it were me I would rebuild the master
>    cylinder, then probably carefully disassemble the front calipers to
>    clean them remorselessly, spotlessly well. If the seals show no obvious
>    wear and are still pliable then I would try to reuse them.
>    The issue is that brake fluid is hydrophilic and will suck humidity
>    right out of the air. Those water vapor molecules accumulate to the
>    point of condensing into liquid water, which then causes corrosion and
>    can also boil again as it accumulates at the lowest point in the
>    system, in the calipers. You will find a bunch of dark grey "fluff" in
>    the fluid that is actually corrosion products. That is what needs to be
>    cleaned out before it damages the seals. If you have no leakage, then
>    the caliper seals aren't leaking. However the master cylinder seals can
>    leak by without any visible leakage out. The master cylinder always
>    wears out first because it has the largest amount of travel when
>    activated.
>    One last thing: what condition are the brake lines in? If they are the
>    original OEM rubber ones, you need to ditch them immediately and get
>    some metal braided lines. The rubber lines stretch.
>    Jeff in Washington
>    '96 Black with over 130K miles and still running strong.
>    On Jun 30, 2019 12:00 PM, gpzlist-request at lists.micapeak.com wrote:
>
>      Hello my friends,
>      I did not want to let the warmth go without taking the GPZ out for
>      an
>      hour..so I went up the Salève. On top of the Hill the front brake
>      did not
>      free up after breaking; it staid in a blocking position for some
>      time; I
>      pulled the lever a couple of times and with some mechanical noise
>      the brake
>      loosened. And did not work anymore (I could pull the lever, no
>      resistance).
>      I saw smoke around the brake but could not make out any damage (I
>      could
>      only get off the bike later..).
>      I descended slowly and the brake gained "power" again;  once on a
>      level
>      ground I stopped the bike to inspect the damage. The only thing I
>      could see
>      was that the area where the brake line connects to the brake,
>      everything
>      was squeaky clean (on the right side, the left side was in proper
>      dirty
>      condition).
>      - It was very warm for our region
>      - I did not abuse the brake
>      - I had some altitude (3000ft)
>      Could it be that the brake fluid got "too hot" and finally the joint
>      let go?
>      What's your thoughts?
>      Thanks
>      Alex
>
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>      Message: 2
>      Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2019 10:44:27 -0600
>      From: Art Johnson <arthjohnson270 at gmail.com>
>      To: GPZ List <gpzlist at lists.micapeak.com>
>      Subject: Re: Brake woes
>      Message-ID: <39B2BFE5-3479-477C-B983-A951413F2360 at gmail.com>
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>      Good that you got away without accident.
>      Any leakage or hose failure would disable the brakes. Fluid boil
>      might have caused lockup, cooldown release.
>      Time for brake maintenance, caliper clean, pad inspection, fluid
>      change, replace banjo bolt washers, any defective items, operation
>      check.
>
>      Sent from my iPhone
>
>      > On Jun 30, 2019, at 9:58 AM, Alexander Finger
>      <af at genevainformation.ch> wrote:
>      >
>      > Hello my friends,
>      > I did not want to let the warmth go without taking the GPZ out for
>      an
>      > hour..so I went up the Salève. On top of the Hill the front brake
>      did not
>      > free up after breaking; it staid in a blocking position for some
>      time; I
>      > pulled the lever a couple of times and with some mechanical noise
>      the brake
>      > loosened. And did not work anymore (I could pull the lever, no
>      resistance).
>      > I saw smoke around the brake but could not make out any damage (I
>      could
>      > only get off the bike later..).
>      > I descended slowly and the brake gained "power" again;  once on a
>      level
>      > ground I stopped the bike to inspect the damage. The only thing I
>      could see
>      > was that the area where the brake line connects to the brake,
>      everything
>      > was squeaky clean (on the right side, the left side was in proper
>      dirty
>      > condition).
>      > - It was very warm for our region
>      > - I did not abuse the brake
>      > - I had some altitude (3000ft)
>      > Could it be that the brake fluid got "too hot" and finally the
>      joint let go?
>      > What's your thoughts?
>      > Thanks
>      > Alex
>      >
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>      >
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>      Message: 3
>      Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2019 19:49:16 +0200
>      From: Alexander Finger <af at genevainformation.ch>
>      To: GPZ List <gpzlist at lists.micapeak.com>
>      Subject: Re: Brake woes
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>      I was slow when they blocked. So it's off to the dealer for a brake
>      job
>      then..I hope it'll not cost more than the downpayment for a new zzr.
>
>      Art Johnson <arthjohnson270 at gmail.com> schrieb am So., 30. Juni
>      2019, 18:44:
>
>      > Good that you got away without accident.
>      > Any leakage or hose failure would disable the brakes. Fluid boil
>      might
>      > have caused lockup, cooldown release.
>      > Time for brake maintenance, caliper clean, pad inspection, fluid
>      change,
>      > replace banjo bolt washers, any defective items, operation check.
>      >
>      > Sent from my iPhone
>      >
>      > > On Jun 30, 2019, at 9:58 AM, Alexander Finger
>      <af at genevainformation.ch>
>      > wrote:
>      > >
>      > > Hello my friends,
>      > > I did not want to let the warmth go without taking the GPZ out
>      for an
>      > > hour..so I went up the Salève. On top of the Hill the front
>      brake did not
>      > > free up after breaking; it staid in a blocking position for some
>      time; I
>      > > pulled the lever a couple of times and with some mechanical
>      noise the
>      > brake
>      > > loosened. And did not work anymore (I could pull the lever, no
>      > resistance).
>      > > I saw smoke around the brake but could not make out any damage
>      (I could
>      > > only get off the bike later..).
>      > > I descended slowly and the brake gained "power" again;  once on
>      a level
>      > > ground I stopped the bike to inspect the damage. The only thing
>      I could
>      > see
>      > > was that the area where the brake line connects to the brake,
>      everything
>      > > was squeaky clean (on the right side, the left side was in
>      proper dirty
>      > > condition).
>      > > - It was very warm for our region
>      > > - I did not abuse the brake
>      > > - I had some altitude (3000ft)
>      > > Could it be that the brake fluid got "too hot" and finally the
>      joint let
>      > go?
>      > > What's your thoughts?
>      > > Thanks
>      > > Alex
>      > >
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>      > > http://alexfinger.ch for pgp key etc
>      > >
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>      Message: 4
>      Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2019 12:30:53 -0600
>      From: Art Johnson <arthjohnson270 at gmail.com>
>      To: GPZ List <gpzlist at lists.micapeak.com>
>      Subject: Re: Brake woes
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>      Hope it works out for you Alex. Fun fast rides for cheap thrills.
>      I left my Gpz in Venezia....
>
>      The GPz is reliable. Hope to do more Euro adventures over the next 5
>      yrs. Croatia and Rome this Fall. Then Spain, Portugal and S. France,
>      next. Work north to Sweden, Norway, UK and Ireland.
>
>      Bought a 2007 Zx14 (ZZR) for home. The front brakes are so much
>      better.
>      Going thru the maintenance routine, coolant, brake fluid change,
>      sparkplugs, valve shims, air filter. Tires and chain good. Tsukigi
>      4-1 pipe and ECU reprogram next.
>
>      Sent from my iPhone
>
>      > On Jun 30, 2019, at 11:49 AM, Alexander Finger
>      <af at genevainformation.ch> wrote:
>      >
>      > I was slow when they blocked. So it's off to the dealer for a
>      brake job
>      > then..I hope it'll not cost more than the downpayment for a new
>      zzr.
>      >
>      > Art Johnson <arthjohnson270 at gmail.com> schrieb am So., 30. Juni
>      2019, 18:44:
>      >
>      >> Good that you got away without accident.
>      >> Any leakage or hose failure would disable the brakes. Fluid boil
>      might
>      >> have caused lockup, cooldown release.
>      >> Time for brake maintenance, caliper clean, pad inspection, fluid
>      change,
>      >> replace banjo bolt washers, any defective items, operation check.
>      >>
>      >> Sent from my iPhone
>      >>
>      >>> On Jun 30, 2019, at 9:58 AM, Alexander Finger
>      <af at genevainformation.ch>
>      >> wrote:
>      >>>
>      >>> Hello my friends,
>      >>> I did not want to let the warmth go without taking the GPZ out
>      for an
>      >>> hour..so I went up the Salève. On top of the Hill the front
>      brake did not
>      >>> free up after breaking; it staid in a blocking position for some
>      time; I
>      >>> pulled the lever a couple of times and with some mechanical
>      noise the
>      >> brake
>      >>> loosened. And did not work anymore (I could pull the lever, no
>      >> resistance).
>      >>> I saw smoke around the brake but could not make out any damage
>      (I could
>      >>> only get off the bike later..).
>      >>> I descended slowly and the brake gained "power" again;  once on
>      a level
>      >>> ground I stopped the bike to inspect the damage. The only thing
>      I could
>      >> see
>      >>> was that the area where the brake line connects to the brake,
>      everything
>      >>> was squeaky clean (on the right side, the left side was in
>      proper dirty
>      >>> condition).
>      >>> - It was very warm for our region
>      >>> - I did not abuse the brake
>      >>> - I had some altitude (3000ft)
>      >>> Could it be that the brake fluid got "too hot" and finally the
>      joint let
>      >> go?
>      >>> What's your thoughts?
>      >>> Thanks
>      >>> Alex
>      >>>
>      >>> --
>      >>> --
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>      >>>
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