[BaseCamp] List traffic (or lack thereof)

Wed Jan 28 19:20:14 PST 2015

I'm watching top gear and I believe they just found their 4th host.  "I am
kinda busy so I did not open it, but then a colleague at work points out
that I have not opened the parcel, she is curious why I would buy something
and not open it"

Motorcycle content:  You made more than the index.  Check out the graphic
on the briefcase on the cover art.

Bloody brilliant.

--Joel

On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 10:00 PM, -=maura=- <moteramaura at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hey Joel!
> Good day for me, and you are the only person I know who might appreciate
> it. :-)
> The book I referenced in the previous post, I decided to buy. I had had a
> number of internet conversations with the author. It is not his 'high
> level' book, it more is his popular layperson book on the TSP. Figured it
> would be just right for me.
>
>
>  In Pursuit of the Traveling Salesman: Mathematics at the Limits of
>  Computation by William Cook
>
>
>  http://www.amazon.ca/gp/search?index=books&linkCode=
> qs&keywords=9780691152707
>
>
> I am kinda busy so I did not open it, but then a colleague at work points
> out that I have not opened the parcel, she is curious why I would buy
> something and not open it, so I tell her to go ahead and open it and check
> it out.
>
> She flips through it and then proclaims: wow , you are in it! Yes, I am
> there, in the index and quoted from an email conversation from 2009,
> telling him about the IBA and the 48-10 ride. I had no idea when I ordered
> the book, I just wanted to read what he had to say, but hoping for a more
> comprehensive treatment than my usual flipping around the internet. This
> was pretty cool for me, and I am telling you because, well, made me happy
> to have helped in a miniscule way a guy who really seriously studies the
> problem,  and you are the one person gets what I am talking about :-)
>
> Maura
>
>
>
>
> On 28/01/2015 3:01 PM, Joel Tolbert wrote:
>
>> P vs NP was on the Internet so it must be true and easily understood :)
>>
>> The fact that these programs can even route point A to point B is
>> astounding. The math behind the choices just for that is ridiculous,
>> especially for populated areas.  Poor Garmin engineers must just go home
>> and sob at night at the features people want to be in there..
>>
>> Don't beat yourself up about the "misinformation" you feel you gave. Your
>> technical assistance and guidance (turd polishing) over the last 3 years
>> has helped a few thousand people have tools they seem to enjoy. Much like
>> you, Jerry and the others giving of their time Saturday, are doing here
>> with Basecamp. Thank you.
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 27, 2015, 4:33 PM Maura <moteramaura at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>  Thanks Nancy!
>>>
>>> On the BMR site I incorrectly stated it was not in the app store, my
>>> early
>>> beta came direct. Sorry about that.
>>> App is great!
>>> BaseCamp content: we will be using BMR data in the seminar this Saturday
>>> :)
>>>
>>> Maura AKA MissInformation
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jan 27, 2015 at 11:05 AM, Nancy Lefcourt <nlefcourt at mac.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>  Maura,  the BMR app update is available in the app store.
>>>>
>>>> -------- Original message --------
>>>> From: -=maura=-
>>>> Date:01/27/2015 10:21 AM (GMT-08:00)
>>>> To: BaseCamp
>>>> Subject: Re: [BaseCamp] List traffic (or lack thereof)
>>>>
>>>> hahaha
>>>> You are a brave man to say P vs NP on the BaseCamp list :))))
>>>> I lack such courage , I tried a while back to explain the issue on the
>>>> LD rider list and let just say I convinced no one, discussion continued
>>>> on how great streets and trips optimized a route, when in my experience,
>>>> I could easily make it fail , either by causing the program to crash or
>>>> making it make a route which was obviously not the optimum.
>>>> The really important rally take-away is that attempting to use route
>>>> optimization often causes a computer crash if the route is even slightly
>>>> complex (20+ points) , which is a very bad thing if you are on-the-clock
>>>> rally planning. Thus, I avoid it like poison :)
>>>>
>>>> Over in the BMR forum, I fear I may have provided misinformation on the
>>>> app. Is it in the play store? I thought it was not, but that may have
>>>> only been me receiving it early. maybe get RJ to delete my post if not
>>>> correct?
>>>>
>>>> App 2.12 working well, no issues to report. The way the rally works, you
>>>> have to sometimes take a couple of pics to get the framing right. If the
>>>> bottom bar affects that, so be it, the app allows you to see the final
>>>> pic, so you check if it is good or not, then 'accept' . The'why' it is
>>>> not framed perfectly the first time is not a concern,  just get 'er done
>>>> and move on :)
>>>>
>>>> I am having such fun in the BMR, and love the app, so let me  send you
>>>> another BIG THANKS.
>>>>
>>>> Maura
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 22/01/2015 6:20 AM, Joel Tolbert wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> <snip>
>>>>> On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 8:03 AM, Chris Rasmussen <
>>>>>
>>>> crasmussen at carolina.rr.com
>>>>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>> Of interest, when I load a route to my Zumo 665, it will normally
>>>>>
>>>> calculate
>>>>
>>>>> a much faster time than what BC has calculated.
>>>>> </snip>
>>>>>
>>>>> I have found the same.  I track my stops in a rally by their expected
>>>>> arrival time in Basecamp.  I have found that both of my GPS units
>>>>> consistently underestimate total time, and Basecamp has been the
>>>>>
>>>> consistent
>>>>
>>>>> winner in the the "time to HQ" department.  This experience over a
>>>>>
>>>> number
>>>
>>>> of rallys has taught me to not get too excited about being ahead of GPS
>>>>>
>>>> eta
>>>>
>>>>> when 4 hours into a rally, as invariably I arrive to HQ workers staring
>>>>>
>>>> at
>>>>
>>>>> watches performing the dreaded countdown to DNF.
>>>>>
>>>>> Admittedly, I have trained Basecamp over the last few years to know how
>>>>>
>>>> how
>>>>
>>>>> I ride/rally here in the US mid-atlantic, making this strategy
>>>>>
>>>> possible.
>>>
>>>> <snip>
>>>>> Master Maura wrote:
>>>>> "(it) is one of the most intensively studied problems in computational
>>>>> mathematics"
>>>>> </snip>
>>>>>
>>>>> Not to put too fine a point on Maura's comment, but I will for those
>>>>>
>>>> hoping
>>>>
>>>>> for an "optimize my route" function.  There has been a $1million (US)
>>>>> bounty placed on solving this "traveling salesman" (P vs NP) riddle by
>>>>>
>>>> the
>>>>
>>>>> Clay Institute.  UPS, FedEx, MIT, Princeton, and nearly every aspiring
>>>>> geospatial computer programmer have had their (collective) minds
>>>>>
>>>> absorbed
>>>
>>>> by this prize
>>>>>
>>>> http://www.claymath.org/millenium-problems/p-vs-np-problem.
>>>>
>>>>> If you want the Cliff notes:  "There ain't no way in hell your "intel
>>>>> inside" netbook, or 20 year old GPS chip are giving you an optimized
>>>>> route."  You will not see that wizard to your satisfaction, not no way,
>>>>>
>>>> not
>>>>
>>>>> no how, regardless of your choice of computer hardware.  There's nearly
>>>>>
>>>> 40
>>>>
>>>>> years of digital heartbreak on this twisted road with no end (yet) in
>>>>>
>>>> sight.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --Joel Tolbert
>>>>> Bethlehem, PA
>>>>> http://www.BubblerGPS.com
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