[BaseCamp] List traffic (or lack thereof)

Wed Jan 28 20:25:46 PST 2015

Thanks Joel
Sorry list, thought I was sending to just Joel. But we're all friends, 
right? So BC list, share my happiness :)

Maura

On 28/01/2015 7:20 PM, Joel Tolbert wrote:
> I'm watching top gear and I believe they just found their 4th host.  "I am
> kinda busy so I did not open it, but then a colleague at work points out
> that I have not opened the parcel, she is curious why I would buy something
> and not open it"
>
> Motorcycle content:  You made more than the index.  Check out the graphic
> on the briefcase on the cover art.
>
> Bloody brilliant.
>
>
> --Joel
>
> On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 10:00 PM, -=maura=- <moteramaura at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hey Joel!
>> Good day for me, and you are the only person I know who might appreciate
>> it. :-)
>> The book I referenced in the previous post, I decided to buy. I had had a
>> number of internet conversations with the author. It is not his 'high
>> level' book, it more is his popular layperson book on the TSP. Figured it
>> would be just right for me.
>>
>>
>>   In Pursuit of the Traveling Salesman: Mathematics at the Limits of
>>   Computation by William Cook
>>
>>
>>   http://www.amazon.ca/gp/search?index=books&linkCode=
>> qs&keywords=9780691152707
>>
>>
>> I am kinda busy so I did not open it, but then a colleague at work points
>> out that I have not opened the parcel, she is curious why I would buy
>> something and not open it, so I tell her to go ahead and open it and check
>> it out.
>>
>> She flips through it and then proclaims: wow , you are in it! Yes, I am
>> there, in the index and quoted from an email conversation from 2009,
>> telling him about the IBA and the 48-10 ride. I had no idea when I ordered
>> the book, I just wanted to read what he had to say, but hoping for a more
>> comprehensive treatment than my usual flipping around the internet. This
>> was pretty cool for me, and I am telling you because, well, made me happy
>> to have helped in a miniscule way a guy who really seriously studies the
>> problem,  and you are the one person gets what I am talking about :-)
>>
>> Maura
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 28/01/2015 3:01 PM, Joel Tolbert wrote:
>>
>>> P vs NP was on the Internet so it must be true and easily understood :)
>>>
>>> The fact that these programs can even route point A to point B is
>>> astounding. The math behind the choices just for that is ridiculous,
>>> especially for populated areas.  Poor Garmin engineers must just go home
>>> and sob at night at the features people want to be in there..
>>>
>>> Don't beat yourself up about the "misinformation" you feel you gave. Your
>>> technical assistance and guidance (turd polishing) over the last 3 years
>>> has helped a few thousand people have tools they seem to enjoy. Much like
>>> you, Jerry and the others giving of their time Saturday, are doing here
>>> with Basecamp. Thank you.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jan 27, 2015, 4:33 PM Maura <moteramaura at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>   Thanks Nancy!
>>>> On the BMR site I incorrectly stated it was not in the app store, my
>>>> early
>>>> beta came direct. Sorry about that.
>>>> App is great!
>>>> BaseCamp content: we will be using BMR data in the seminar this Saturday
>>>> :)
>>>>
>>>> Maura AKA MissInformation
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Jan 27, 2015 at 11:05 AM, Nancy Lefcourt <nlefcourt at mac.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>   Maura,  the BMR app update is available in the app store.
>>>>> -------- Original message --------
>>>>> From: -=maura=-
>>>>> Date:01/27/2015 10:21 AM (GMT-08:00)
>>>>> To: BaseCamp
>>>>> Subject: Re: [BaseCamp] List traffic (or lack thereof)
>>>>>
>>>>> hahaha
>>>>> You are a brave man to say P vs NP on the BaseCamp list :))))
>>>>> I lack such courage , I tried a while back to explain the issue on the
>>>>> LD rider list and let just say I convinced no one, discussion continued
>>>>> on how great streets and trips optimized a route, when in my experience,
>>>>> I could easily make it fail , either by causing the program to crash or
>>>>> making it make a route which was obviously not the optimum.
>>>>> The really important rally take-away is that attempting to use route
>>>>> optimization often causes a computer crash if the route is even slightly
>>>>> complex (20+ points) , which is a very bad thing if you are on-the-clock
>>>>> rally planning. Thus, I avoid it like poison :)
>>>>>
>>>>> Over in the BMR forum, I fear I may have provided misinformation on the
>>>>> app. Is it in the play store? I thought it was not, but that may have
>>>>> only been me receiving it early. maybe get RJ to delete my post if not
>>>>> correct?
>>>>>
>>>>> App 2.12 working well, no issues to report. The way the rally works, you
>>>>> have to sometimes take a couple of pics to get the framing right. If the
>>>>> bottom bar affects that, so be it, the app allows you to see the final
>>>>> pic, so you check if it is good or not, then 'accept' . The'why' it is
>>>>> not framed perfectly the first time is not a concern,  just get 'er done
>>>>> and move on :)
>>>>>
>>>>> I am having such fun in the BMR, and love the app, so let me  send you
>>>>> another BIG THANKS.
>>>>>
>>>>> Maura
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 22/01/2015 6:20 AM, Joel Tolbert wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> <snip>
>>>>>> On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 8:03 AM, Chris Rasmussen <
>>>>>>
>>>>> crasmussen at carolina.rr.com
>>>>>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> Of interest, when I load a route to my Zumo 665, it will normally
>>>>>>
>>>>> calculate
>>>>>
>>>>>> a much faster time than what BC has calculated.
>>>>>> </snip>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have found the same.  I track my stops in a rally by their expected
>>>>>> arrival time in Basecamp.  I have found that both of my GPS units
>>>>>> consistently underestimate total time, and Basecamp has been the
>>>>>>
>>>>> consistent
>>>>>
>>>>>> winner in the the "time to HQ" department.  This experience over a
>>>>>>
>>>>> number
>>>>> of rallys has taught me to not get too excited about being ahead of GPS
>>>>> eta
>>>>>
>>>>>> when 4 hours into a rally, as invariably I arrive to HQ workers staring
>>>>>>
>>>>> at
>>>>>
>>>>>> watches performing the dreaded countdown to DNF.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Admittedly, I have trained Basecamp over the last few years to know how
>>>>>>
>>>>> how
>>>>>
>>>>>> I ride/rally here in the US mid-atlantic, making this strategy
>>>>>>
>>>>> possible.
>>>>> <snip>
>>>>>> Master Maura wrote:
>>>>>> "(it) is one of the most intensively studied problems in computational
>>>>>> mathematics"
>>>>>> </snip>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Not to put too fine a point on Maura's comment, but I will for those
>>>>>>
>>>>> hoping
>>>>>
>>>>>> for an "optimize my route" function.  There has been a $1million (US)
>>>>>> bounty placed on solving this "traveling salesman" (P vs NP) riddle by
>>>>>>
>>>>> the
>>>>>
>>>>>> Clay Institute.  UPS, FedEx, MIT, Princeton, and nearly every aspiring
>>>>>> geospatial computer programmer have had their (collective) minds
>>>>>>
>>>>> absorbed
>>>>> by this prize
>>>>> http://www.claymath.org/millenium-problems/p-vs-np-problem.
>>>>>
>>>>>> If you want the Cliff notes:  "There ain't no way in hell your "intel
>>>>>> inside" netbook, or 20 year old GPS chip are giving you an optimized
>>>>>> route."  You will not see that wizard to your satisfaction, not no way,
>>>>>>
>>>>> not
>>>>>
>>>>>> no how, regardless of your choice of computer hardware.  There's nearly
>>>>>>
>>>>> 40
>>>>>
>>>>>> years of digital heartbreak on this twisted road with no end (yet) in
>>>>>>
>>>>> sight.
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --Joel Tolbert
>>>>>> Bethlehem, PA
>>>>>> http://www.BubblerGPS.com
>>>>>>
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