[BaseCamp] Way Point limitations Question

[DENNIS O'DELL]

Jerry,
I thought, as you suggest, I'd try changing the WPs to don't alert first and see if the GPS is happier.

Fortunately, this too many WPs is not a normal occurrence for me, since I would typically make routes myself and limit the number of WPs. This is good info for the future if my buddy makes more routes with the glut of WPs.

Thanks again.

Mit freundlichen Grüßen/With best regards,

Dennis C. O'Dell
denniscodell at icloud.com
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> On Jul 20, 2017, at 3:44 PM, Jerry White <jerrywhite518 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I've been rethinking this. (As I said, it's been awhile since I used it.)
> There's probably no reason to convert your WPs to "don't alert" before
> using Unflag. The Unflag program gets rid of all of them anyway no matter
> how they're set. So just try it on the route as is.
> 
> On the other hand, your GPS might treat "dont alert" points differently and
> they may not count against the total. So the first thing I'd do before
> anything else is change all the points in the route to "Don't Alert" and
> then transfer that route to your GPS. See if it chokes as usual. If it
> does, then "dont alert' didn't help, and carry on with Unflag.
> 
> Jerry
> 
> On Thu, Jul 20, 2017 at 12:50 AM, DENNIS O'DELL <denniscodell at icloud.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> Thank you Jerry. I think I have it now.
>> 
>> Thank you for the link Ashley.
>> 
>> Mit freundlichen Grüßen/With best regards,
>> 
>> Dennis C. O'Dell
>> denniscodell at icloud.com
>> Mobile: +49 (175) 855 6663
>> Home: +49 911 277 45370
>> Skype: diggertfu
>> Hochstrasse 19
>> Nürnberg 90429
>> Germany
>> 
>> "Laughter and Tears are both responses to frustration and exhaustion. I
>> myself prefer to Laugh since there is less to do afterwards."
>> - Kurt Vonnegut
>> 
>>> On Jul 20, 2017, at 12:53 AM, Jerry White <jerrywhite518 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Open the route in Basecamp.
>>> In the Properties tab (the one that you see when you first double click a
>>> route), you'll see your route and all its waypoints.
>>> Right click a waypoint, select Don't Alert On Arrival.
>>> That turns the WP into a Shaping Point.
>>> 
>>> Now, it's been awhile since I've used it, and thanks to Ashley for
>> finding
>>> the Unflag program. I believe that's the right program but can't test it
>>> right now. You will have to export your route out of BC into the format
>>> that Unflag likes. Probably GPX but it also might like GDB. Run Unflag,
>> and
>>> then import the new file back into BC, and then load it onto your GPS.
>>> 
>>> When you're riding a route that's been "unflagged" you have to be careful
>>> of what happens when you deviate from it. As soon as your GPS
>> recalculates
>>> the active, unflagged route, it loses all it's magic. You'll just get
>>> routed directly to the end point. If this happens you need to get
>> yourself
>>> back onto the original route and re-start the unflagged route. Best to
>> use
>>> prompted recalculation so that you don't recalc the route.
>>> 
>>> If your route has some actual waypoints that you want to use, then you'll
>>> need to split the route into separate legs. Unflag will remove all points
>>> between the start and finish. So if you want to ride A to B to C, you'll
>>> need Unflagged A to B, and Unflagged B to C.
>>> 
>>> Hope this helps. (And I hope it works! It's been awhile since I did any
>> of
>>> this stuff.) If it turns out to be a wild goose chase, I apologize.
>>> 
>>> Jerry
>>> 
>>> On Wed, Jul 19, 2017 at 12:36 PM, DENNIS O'DELL <denniscodell at icloud.com
>>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Sorry, but you lost me...
>>>> 
>>>> How do I convert way point to via points in BC?
>>>> 
>>>> What's PONI and where do I get it?
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks
>>>> 
>>>> Mit freundlichen Grüßen/With best regards,
>>>> 
>>>> Dennis C. O'Dell
>>>> denniscodell at icloud.com
>>>> Mobile: +49 (175) 855 6663
>>>> Home: +49 911 277 45370
>>>> Skype: diggertfu
>>>> Hochstrasse 19
>>>> Nürnberg 90429
>>>> Germany
>>>> 
>>>> "Laughter and Tears are both responses to frustration and exhaustion. I
>>>> myself prefer to Laugh since there is less to do afterwards."
>>>> - Kurt Vonnegut
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jul 19, 2017, at 7:23 PM, Jerry White <jerrywhite518 at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> PONI Killer is your friend. Convert the waypoints to via points in BC,
>>>> then
>>>>> run poni killer.
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Wed, Jul 19, 2017 at 11:55 AM Eric Bray <edb4378 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The waypoint limit is a function of the specific GPS--every Garmin is
>>>>>> different.  Some count shaping points against that limit, others do
>> not.
>>>>>> It is a constraint that you will have to deal with.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Eric Bray
>>>>>> Alexandria, VA
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Wed, Jul 19, 2017 at 12:34 PM, DENNIS O'DELL <
>>>> denniscodell at icloud.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Hi Folks,
>>>>>>> I am sure this has been covered before, but I do not seem to find
>>>>>> anything.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> The question is regarding the number of way points allowed in a
>> route.
>>>> A
>>>>>>> friend created several routes for a trip we have recently taken. Each
>>>>>> route
>>>>>>> is an average of 225 kilometers. He seems to really like the nice
>>>> little
>>>>>>> default blue flag icon that Garmin uses for way points, so he has
>>>>>> inserted
>>>>>>> 40 to 50 way points in each route. I asked why, but did not get a
>>>>>> sensible
>>>>>>> answer.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> When I imported his routes into Base Camp (version 4.2.4) all is
>> good.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> When I upload them to my BMW Navigator V (software version 3.40) I
>> get
>>>> a
>>>>>>> message that there is a limit of 29 way points per route and that the
>>>>>> route
>>>>>>> has been split into two routes. The routes then show up as "Route ABC
>>>> 1",
>>>>>>> "Route ABC 2”, “Route XYZ 1”, “Route XYZ 2” and so forth for each
>>>> route.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Each route calculates as expected when I load the route on the GPS
>> for
>>>>>>> viewing/navigation. However, the fun comes when you reach the last
>> way
>>>>>>> point in the active route. There isn’t any warning that I noticed
>>>> telling
>>>>>>> me I’m at the end of the route. Therefore, I did not know when to
>>>> switch
>>>>>>> from Route ABC 1 to Route ABC 2. This caused much confusion for me.
>> It
>>>>>>> seems that I would get an "Off Route Recalculate?” message. I have
>>>>>>> Recalculate set to Manual, and so I would hit Yes. It seems that
>> since
>>>> I
>>>>>>> was now past the last way point in the route the recalculation would
>>>> want
>>>>>>> to route me back to the last way point in the route. After awhile I
>>>>>> figured
>>>>>>> this out and switched to the second portion of the route (Route ABC
>> 2).
>>>>>>> Then, depending on how far past the first way point in the new route,
>>>> the
>>>>>>> route picked up nicely or may not pick up so nicely if I was too far
>>>> past
>>>>>>> the first way point. When it did not play nice I would get the "Off
>>>> Route
>>>>>>> Recalculate?” message again, hit Yes and would be turned around again
>>>>>>> (which I learned to ignore pretty quickly).
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I have not had this problem with routes I create myself, but I always
>>>>>> hold
>>>>>>> the number of way points to under 29.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> My friend’s very old Garmin Zimo (sorry, I don’t have the specs for
>> it)
>>>>>>> did not encounter the 29 way point limit.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> We are both using Map Version "City Navigator Europe NTU 2018.1"
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I had considered deleting many of the way points to bring the number
>>>> down
>>>>>>> to under 29, but that is a real PITA, plus I was concerned it may
>>>> change
>>>>>>> the routing.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> If anyone can put some light on this to make life easier I would be
>>>>>>> greatly appreciative.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Mit freundlichen Grüßen / Best Regards,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Dennis C. O'Dell
>>>>>>> Hochstrasse 19
>>>>>>> 90429 Nürnberg
>>>>>>> Germany
>>>>>>> denniscodell at icloud.com
>>>>>>> Mobile: +49 175 855 6663
>>>>>>> Home: +49 911 277 45370
>>>>>>> Skype: diggertfu
>>>>>>> Blog: http://www.diggersmotorradadventures.com/
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> "If we don't change direction soon, we'll end up where we're going."
>>>>>>> - Professor Irwin Corey
>>>>>>> 
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